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  • Plans for west 30th

    30th and 11th

    http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=...orkcity-ny-usa

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    Re: Plans for West 30th & 11th

    Here is more info and an image of what will be at 30th and 11th.
    Kinda ugly.

    http://levinebuilders.broadviewnet.n...eleventh.shtml

    Levine Builders is providing construction management services for this new 369-unit luxury residential rental building located on Eleventh Avenue and 30th Street. This is in the recently established Special West Chelsea District, High Line Transfer Corridor. The exterior of the building will be architectural precast concrete panels with aluminum windows and window wall, and will include 4,000 square feet of retail at grade and 28,000 square feet of parking located on two levels. There will also be a 5,600 square foot rooftop terrace. The residential entrance will open upon a triple-height lobby space with an arcade that will connect the residential lobby with a retail gourmet caf? or restaurant. The second floor amenity space will include a lounge, fitness center, banquet room and an outdoor terrace.

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    • #3
      Re: Plans for west 30th

      And a profile on the project is here:

      http://www.douglastondevelopment.com...velopers.shtml


      Chelsea NOW, where are you?

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      • #4
        Re: Plans for west 30th

        It looks like it's going to have some company:

        http://www.cityrealty.com/new_develo...r?noteid=19402

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        • #5
          Re: Plans for west 30th

          Well, if they bring in people that don't pee in the street, vomit on the sidewalk, and throw their trash in the street a la 14th c. London, I gotta believe it could be an improvement.

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          • #6
            Re: Plans for west 30th

            True, could be a good thing that would reduce the population of cretins in the neighborhood.
            But the price of everything will go thru the roof and rents as well. Plus about 18 months of noise, that will echo over the Hudson Railyards, as the Amtrak train does now (which I actually like), and the migration east of all kinds of unsavoryness that happens along those Aves.
            Plus, there will then be a ton of attention to those blocks and other companies will jump on the bandwagon, demo of lots of small buildings in our Westside cranny of Manhattan, leading to more enormous bad architectural sticks pointing into the sky, killing the view, blocking the sun and doubling the traffic in the hood (surely there will be parking garages). The only upside being the Dolans will have nowhere to go. And maybe there will be a brand new fancy Olive Garden for us neighbors to enjoy.
            This is what happened in the East 20's where I used to live. I'm not against development, but a complete lack of any vision for urban planning or city oversight is idiotic.
            But, hey, you never know.

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            • #7
              Re: Plans for west 30th

              Originally posted by Vespa View Post
              a complete lack of any vision for urban planning or city oversight is idiotic.
              I can't say I would trust the city to do planning on a scale like this. I am thinking back to Central Park and what a dump that became until a private charity basically took it over. Do we really want to entrust bureacrats with something as important as thinking out the future of the city? I am not certain that private developers will do much better but at least they don't want to tarnish their names (I hope). Bureaucrats, on the other hand, don't give a f****. How about those shining knights down at the ACS (http://tinyurl.com/2lh5ts)? No, I just don't have that much faith in government for this sort of work. I believe in government setting and enforcing very basic rules -- beyond that, I don't think the mental power is there.

              I agree the raising of rents suck, but unless we are going to just pack it in and do things Soviet style...that's how market forces work.
              Last edited by AEG; 08-11-2007, 01:48 PM. Reason: fix url

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              • #8
                Re: Plans for west 30th

                Yes I think most of the Bureaucrats have no vision. Sometimes Bloomberg is an exception.
                I have little faith in govt for similar reasons, but why is my tax money being used to build luxury housing so someone can get rich off other rich people?
                The market forces do their work but for who? Americans have way too much faith in the market being the be-all, end-all. Limitless market expansion is impossible.
                And besides, those places are Soviet style, but the people moving into them don't know enough to realize it. Take a look at East berlin or Russian Apt blocks. looks the same to me. No flavor, no architectural design, no style, no thought.


                And PS I agree about ACS. You should see the letter I wrote to the Times about their recent coverage.

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                • #9
                  Re: Plans for west 30th

                  Originally posted by Vespa View Post
                  Sometimes Bloomberg is an exception.
                  He's a businessman who decided to enter politics. He's not a lifelong bureaucrat doing his 9-5.

                  Originally posted by Vespa View Post
                  And besides, those places are Soviet style
                  It's your right to have this opinion. But I can't agree with you. These aren't apartments owned and rationed by the state. The apartments will only be rentable and stay rentable (or have value if condos) as long as the owners of the apartments ensure this. The Soviet state couldn't care 2 cents what happened to their living stock.

                  Originally posted by Vespa View Post
                  The market forces do their work but for who? Americans have way too much faith in the market being the be-all, end-all. Limitless market expansion is impossible.
                  It's not that I disagree with you on faith in the market, but it's that nothing else has come down on the pike that can compare to it.
                  • Communism? Tens of millions slaughtered. No getting ahead. Period. (Discounting corruption in the government, of course.) Of course there is something ironic about my commenting on this with Chelsea literally being the home of the American Communist Party (http://www.cpusa.org/) so yes, I could see a few people disagreeing with me on this.
                  • Feudalism? Virtual slavery.
                  • Anarcho-primativism? Fine if you don't mind pooing in the woods and munching berries.

                  Overall, the markets do work for the vast majority of people. There are also times when we interfere with the markets and make thing worse, e.g., the Great Depression. But we also try to tinker with the markets to lessen the harshness of business cycles -- which is all well and good, but when you muck with something like that, you have as much a chance as making things worse.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Plans for west 30th

                    I'm not a Communist.
                    Not even close.
                    I meant Soviet-style as in: Soviet. Style.
                    I am more talking about aesthetics than anything else, and practicality.
                    Those buildings look like soviet block architecture to me. Boring, flat, kinda shiny, really dull, cheaply made, boxes. People buy places to live in them partly financed by people who will never live in them. Sort of like a fiefdom.
                    And in the end, it becomes very clear, that no money can't buy style.

                    And on the practicality, a lot of the buildings put up after 9/11 on 6th ave. are not at capacity. As is the case with the blue glass thing put up on Astor place. There is nothing wrong with a new building, but why not rip down a brick piece o'crap put up in the 60's? All I am saying is that Rome did not mow down the Coliseum for condos.

                    What I am saying bears out in the case of the Garden. A gorgeous station was ripped down in the 60's to put in a cramped and dysfunctional station underneath a private enterprise - The Garden. And now that Penn is at capacity and falling apart, The Garden wants to move into the Farley building because it is so grand and stunning. And they suddenly realized how ugly their spot is. (Why can't the Garden be on top of the Javits Ctr?) And the city is thinking of mowing down that whole area around MSG for office buildings, as proposed by Vornado. The buildings will be owned by a single company. Run by a single company. 10 city blocks owned by 1 company, who will also run Penn Station, and build a new Garden.

                    That's a fiefdom for you. No?

                    And how many millions have been killed for Manifest Destiny, Columbus' expeditions, the claiming of oil rich land, and all other manner of modern economic "expansion."
                    Just wondering.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Plans for west 30th

                      Yes, absolutely; what Vespa said.

                      Well put m'dear...well put!

                      "CC"

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                      • #12
                        Re: Plans for west 30th

                        Grazie.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Plans for west 30th

                          http://www.therealdeal.net/pdf/Hudso...MajorSites.pdf

                          Take a look.
                          It's not pretty.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Plans for west 30th

                            Originally posted by Vespa View Post
                            Shows a vibrant city. What's the alternative? Stasis? (My comments do not negate the city from providing needed services.)

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                            • #15
                              Re: Plans for west 30th

                              Soome of those buildings need to be rehabed, sure, and there is space around Penn for something interesting.
                              But why is Vornado planning to demo a McKim Mead and White building of significance, and not the uglayass footlocker across the street or the nasty 3 story pizza places on 7th and 33rd? Or the porno shops on 8th Ave?

                              Vibrant, maybe. But it's really business people with zero aesthetic integrity putting up ugly glass buildings to take tax credits and offset profits from their other holdings. I have read a lot on this and i understand what Vornado is doing.
                              What would Rome be if they ripped out the Coliseum for condos? Or Paris without much of what is there?
                              People from other places come here, marvel at the skyscrapers, think "wow! progress" and then leave thinking we are lame revisionists because we detroy any trace of our own history for money.
                              That's all I'm saying.
                              I prefer not to live in a glass terrarium, and it is my humble opinion that NYC is selling its architectural soul to 4 developers who will takes the money and run.

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