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  • HUDSON YARDS - Must read...

    Check out this piece on what's to come...for better or worse...prepare for a juggernaut of traffic and noise, and well, sounds like it'll be private...
    So this is what it'll be like to live next to the moat....

    http://nymag.com/homedesign/urbanliv.../hudson-yards/

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    Re: HUDSON YARDS - Must read...

    Thanks for pointing out the article.

    There are great public spaces in NYC like Bryant Park, and Paley Park , and then there are terrible ones like the Time Warner Plaza, and Grace Plaza.

    Where would You rather be?


    Time Warner



    Grace Plaza


    Paley Park


    Bryant Park


    Architects often produce great looking spaces that can be alienating for human beings.

    I'm going to contact the Hudson Yards people about contacting the Project for Public Spaces(a group that knows how to create great spaces) about creating a design with people in mind and see if we can get not only a great looking space, but also a great community space at Hudson yards.

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      Re: HUDSON YARDS - Must read...

      Those pics are interesting. All of those places are chock full of guards who watch you when you are in the "public spaces."
      It's like MSG, the minutes you lean against the wall or sit on a step, bam, guard shows up to send you away.
      Looks like NYC is getting good at building dead space not public space.

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        Re: HUDSON YARDS - Must read...

        Originally posted by Vespa View Post
        Those pics are interesting. All of those places are chock full of guards who watch you when you are in the "public spaces."
        It's like MSG, the minutes you lean against the wall or sit on a step, bam, guard shows up to send you away.
        Looks like NYC is getting good at building dead space not public space.

        here's the newly planned MSG outdoor spaces.

        Madison Square Garden/Penn Station

        link

        According to the NYT " The Garden, as compensation, proposes also to add directional signs on the surrounding streets and install a few semicircular benches and decorative concrete paving, along with “interpretive pavement inlays commemorating significant people and events associated with Madison Square Garden,” according to the Garden’s land use application. That’s what passes in the application for public amenities." link

        The above article mentions the benches as "compensation" for adding "
        an appalling floodlight of announcements and advertisements that could only further degrade the neighborhood"
        .

        Actually it isn't compensation,when modifying an existing plaza they are required to bring the plaza into greater compliance with current standards. The old standard required no seating or for that matter anything other then an open space . The new standard requires a lot better then they are giving link

        "All public plazas are required to provide two of these seating types, while plazas between 5,000 and 10,000 square feet are required to provide three types. Plazas greater than 10,000 square feet are required to provide moveable seating as one of the three required seating types.

        Social seating – seats that are located in close proximity to one another and in configurations that facilitate social interaction – are a basic seating arrangement that should be provided across all seating types wherever possible. Movable tables and chairs are the most flexible form of social seating, however angled and curved benches and groupings of fixed seats can achieve the same purpose."

        Social seating

        "A substantial proportion of seats in a plaza should have backs to facilitate comfort and usability by people of all ages and abilities. To ensure sufficient variety in seating types in the public plaza, seating steps and walls are limited to no more than 15% of the total required seating in the public plaza."



        The MSG plaza is over 70,000 square feet which today would require 3 types of seating including seats with backs and moveable seating. All the community is getting is fancy benches without backs. They are only required by law to give "greater compliance to the new standard " and I suppose benches without backs is greater compliance then no seating at all, but as far as I can their doing minimal enhancements as opposed to really meeting the spirit of the current standards.

        Oh and they have also asked for elimination of non bonus plaza area. link

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