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  • Noise (athletic field 23rd/24th)

    I get so amazed and floored that people think hearing noise in the city on the weekends is fine.

    (Up late with insomnia,) I'm lying in bed at 10:30am with my earplugs in, hearing loud music coming through. My windows were shut.

    Half an hour later, they're testing the PA system, I believe out in the soccer field (23rd/24th/West Side Hwy.), where they had an event a couple weekends ago where loud announcements kept booming through most of the afternoon.

    Today was to be my do stuff at home day. If they're out there all day beating their chests over the PA system, I'm going to have to escape, thereby giving up my day.

    I called 311, but I think city citizens are expected to be fine with this violation, of their airwaves.

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    Re: Noise (athletic field 23rd/24th)

    My sympathies. There seems to be no relief from noise in this City. Some mornings as early as 6AM they're out there (maybe the Sanitation Dept., not sure) making noise. I'm in Penn South and they're doing a very extensive construction job. In some cases we have to be out of our apartments by 7AM to give them access so that means we have to be up at least by 6AM to get ready. We can't stay in our apartments because the noise is deafening. Police sirens and fire trucks don't care what time it is, or even whether there's any traffic, they just careen down the streets blasting their sirens. I think it must be some devious alien plot to drive us all crazy and into asylums so they can come and take over the city.

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    • #3
      Re: Noise (athletic field 23rd/24th)

      police and fire I can't speak for, but there was a quote I heard recently where the right to quiet was considered valid. That loud cell phone talking, screaming children, partying, music-playing, etc. were violations. The people who just figured they could mess up the airwaves were/are violators, not oblivious folks who others have to smile kindly over.

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      • #4
        Re: Noise (athletic field 23rd/24th)

        I totally agree with your complaints. The noise is terrible, and in some cases really harmful. It's bad enough to hear the curse words which are an excuse for language, but I can't even count the number of times people on cell phones are in the midst of an argument and they're screaming and swearing at high pitch all the way down the street. The problem is -- even with laws and violations, etc. nothing gets done to correct the problem. I heard that bicyclists going the wrong way or not obeying traffic laws are now subject to ticketing. HAH! Just the other day at least three times or more I was nearly thrown off my gait because of bicycles coming through a light or coming from the wrong direction. Never saw a policeman or traffic guard doing anything about it.

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        • #5
          Re: Noise (athletic field 23rd/24th)

          Magpie, I agree with you, but, unfortunately, civility, breeding and manners are not issues that can be legislated. A view can be taken that the bicyclists and language-deficient cursers to whom you refer are no different from the Masters of the Universe on Wall Street, and from London to Athens to Tokyo whose greed, "me-ism" and utter lack of consideration for anyone else have done so much to get us into the current financial difficulties which the world faces today. The concept of "I want it, I want it all, and I want it all right now" is evidenced by fools on bikes, those who can't carry on a civil conversation with regard for those around them, dopes driving around the neighborhood in rolling boom boxes, pedestrians who can't stay to the right-hand side on the sidewalk and so many others today.

          As for the police trying to stop cyclists violating the Vehicle and Traffic Laws, while I'm in absolute agreement that enforcement is critical, it's necessary to realize that the police are at a distinct and great disadvantage because chasing them on foot is an obvious no-starter and tyring to chase them with a patrol car or even with a bike or scooter is dangerous to pedestrians and vehicular traffic. It's another issue that requires that heavy "social and peer pressure" be brought against those who violate what should be social norms. Cyclists have been required to obey the VTL since at least the late 19th century and, until fairly recently, social pressure and recognizing right from wrong was usually sufficient to keep them in line.

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          • #6
            Re: Noise (athletic field 23rd/24th)

            As a follow-up, this is from today's (July 24, 2012) NYT.


            http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/24/nyregion/manhattan-court-sends-erring-cyclists-to-remedial-class.html?_r=1&nl=nyregion&emc=edit_ur_20120724&pagewanted=print
             
            Penalty for Rule-Breaking Bicyclists: A Remedial Class

            By J. DAVID GOODMAN

            The eight wrongdoers sat inside a windowless basement classroom, serving a court-ordered penance for their transgressions. For the next 90 minutes, they would learn about the proper rules of the road, how to use hand signals and when to change lanes safely — even if most did not believe they had done anything wrong.

            "He said I wasn’t in the bike lane," said Kenny McKissick, a 32-year-old messenger. "But I was on the line."

            This spring, the Midtown Community Court began sentencing cyclists who had been issued tickets for certain offenses in and around Midtown Manhattan to a class to learn about bicycles and traffic.
            Think remedial driver’s education — for bike riders.

            "You couldn’t possibly ticket all of the stuff you see irresponsible cyclists do," said Judge Felicia Mennin, who worked with the nonprofit organization Bike New York to develop the new sentencing option.
            But, she acknowledged, some riders may be honestly confused about what is allowed. "There are a lot of laws and not always clarity about abiding by the law," she said.

            The class, held below a sports store on the Upper West Side, is the first dedicated to cyclists but is a close cousin to other education programs at the court, which seeks to address quality of life offenses like prostitution and graffiti with alternatives to jail or fines.

            It comes amid broad agreement among bike advocates and the Transportation Department that compelling riders to obey traffic signals, go with traffic and stay off the sidewalk is critical to improving the image of cycling and ensuring the long-term health of New York City’s expanding bicycle network. That mission will become even more important once the city’s bike-share program rolls out in the next month or so.

            So far, 30 cyclists have been sent to the class, the court said. The two most common offenses have been riding on the sidewalk and not using the bicycle lane.

            Mr. McKissick was hardly alone in complaining of unfair treatment at a class last week. Several cyclists admitted riding on the sidewalk for a few feet and complained that the sentence — often a day of community service in addition to the class — was excessive.

            "It was literally three seconds," Steve Galiczynski said of his short sidewalk ride to his parking spot on the Upper West Side, witnessed by a police officer. He said he had already spent a day cleaning up trash in Times Square. "This whole thing is nuts. It’s like I’m in a Russian novel — a crazy Russian novel."

            The class included slide presentations on bicycle law, hand signals and moving safely through traffic, as well as a discussion of cyclists’ rights and how abiding by the law could help them curry good favor from the broader public. Some of the men sat with folded arms; there was palpable resentment after each described the reason for his ticket. It emerged that none were there for what they considered serious offenses, like running a red light or going the wrong way.

            "Normally," said Rich Conroy, the instructor from Bike New York, "red light running is a traffic violation and they send that to the D.M.V. courts." Wrong-way riding is treated similarly. Mr. Conroy said he would like to see those types of violations end up in his class, but that would mean changing the way the police write up tickets for cyclists.

            Since starting the new class, Mr. Conroy has also made shorter presentations to police officers in Midtown to help clarify the finer points of the law. "I focus on the bike lane law because a quarter of the students I’ve seen have gotten tickets for riding outside of the lane," he said. While cyclists are required to use bike lanes when available, there are exceptions: when preparing to make a turn or the lane is obstructed or unsafe. "There’s nothing in the law that says you have to bike suicidally," he said.

            If there is one thing that unites New Yorkers who see bikes as a menace with others who view them as a mainstream form of urban transportation, it is a mutual disdain for the lawbreaking cyclist.

            It has always been thus in the city, at least since the days a century ago when pedestrians, buggy drivers and leisure cyclists alike railed against the dangers of speedy riders, known at the time as scorchers.

            Mr. Conroy said he hoped that by spreading knowledge about the law to both cyclists and to the police, he could alleviate what appeared to be confusion over what is permissible and help focus enforcement on dangerous riding.

            But for now, it remains a work in progress.

            Spencer Aste, 47, an actor who lives on the Upper West Side and rode his bike to the class last week, said he had been cited after being forced off the road by traffic and clattering to the pavement in a crosswalk.

            "I’m on my face, bleeding," he said. "When I got up, the cop was writing me a ticket."

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            • #7
              Re: Noise (athletic field 23rd/24th)

              when a thread goes off in another direction, can it be renamed, and posted as that, Please?

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              • #8
                Re: Noise (athletic field 23rd/24th)

                Yes, tickets, tickets and more tickets. Impound the bikes and make them pay to retrieve them. I love bicycles but, what I see on these streets is insanity. Every, and any venue, plus their own lane, which some use and some don't. My opinion folks, apologies if anyone is offended.

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                • #9
                  Re: Noise (athletic field 23rd/24th)

                  Good idea.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Noise (athletic field 23rd/24th)

                    Yes, tickets, tickets and more tickets. Impound the bikes and make them pay to retrieve them.

                    Never going to happen. Bloomberg's pet Commissioner is DOT's
                    Janette Sadik-Khan, and his pet projects is expanding bike lanes at the expense of all else. The bike lobbies in NYC are also very vocal.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Noise (athletic field 23rd/24th)

                      Hey, catalyst - good to see you back on here! It's been a while.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Noise (athletic field 23rd/24th)

                        Thanks Snap! Yes, it has been a while...

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